In this spirited conversation, Paul Chan and Devin Kenny engage bootlegging as a lens to unpack wide-ranging concerns around technology, access, and power. Probing its entanglements with copyright, racialized dynamics of data extraction, and large language models, they ask, among other things, what it means to appropriate our means of production in a moment when, as they suggest, “the tools we use also, very much, use us.”

The title is the first in A.R.T.'s re-initiated Between Artists series, featuring conversation-based books that document different positions and strategies in contemporary critical visual practices. Between Artists provides an opportunity for artists to speak clearly about their practice and give readers a better understanding of the power and relevance of the artists' voice in the discussion of larger social issues.