Part of our Between Artists series

In this spirited conversation, Paul Chan and Devin Kenny engage bootlegging as a lens to unpack wide-ranging concerns around technology, access, and power. Probing its entanglements with copyright, racialized dynamics of data extraction, and large language models, they ask, among other things, what it means to appropriate our means of production in a moment when, as they suggest, “the tools we use also, very much, use us.”