In this frank and provocative conversation, Thom Andersen and William E. Jones explore an expansive number of topics in relation to their respective film and art practices, among them: the advent of HD technology; experimental filmmakers and their strategies; Los Angeles; ''militant nostalgia;'' Jesus as revolutionary; the limitations of the art world; art criticism; gay culture; William Morris; and ''the Reagans at church.''

Part of the Between Artists series.